Posted by CJR on February 20, 19103 at 22:07:22:
The CREAM LIGHT BROWN Dutch Bantam
That the simple color name for the base body feather color of the female Cream Light Brown Dutch could cause such controversy is hard to understand.
Would you like to import some Cream Light Brown birds from England or The Netherlands?? You would ask for Yellow Partridge, if from England. You would ask for Geelpatrijs in The Netherlands. But if you asked for the color name of the body of the female in their Standards, you would hear the same words: GREYISH YELLOW This is the same for the Drentse, Duitse, Auracauna, Leghorn, breeds in Holland and other breeds in Germany, ei.Italianer and a bantam breed called just Bantam, similar to Dutch, France, that we don't see in the U.S.,but have been bred to a color Standard in Europe for many years. What will happen if these birds are eventually imported to the U.S. in Geelpatrijs. Will the APA reject them under judges, because the Dutch Bantam Club introduced an error in submitting the CLB Standard for qualification? Two little words seem so trivial, when the long term results could be condemning to the ADBS. (and critical of the APA). Changes in the Standards can take long years, as well they should! This small correction now, can mean that future exhibitors and breeders of correct CLB will not be eliminated because of an error committed (truly, by just 3-5 breeders with authority), in 2002-3. There are a number of other CLB breeders who do not have authority.
We do not call our birds Yellow Light Brown (which we should have, if we had communicated with the Hollandse Krielenfokkers Club in Holland, and asked for enough information in the early 1990s), but instead, we named the variety CREAM Light Brown (LB, after the same pattern as the Light Browns and using the name of the cream gene (igig) which results in the color in our birds, and to correspond to the nomenclature of the Blue Light Brown.
Then, while Greyish Yellow is still the proper color name, Greyish CREAM could be a conciliatory name, and would give closer to the correct color on the actual bird, when the best bred bird is viewed. But the really exciting females will be "yellow".
Now, Greyish Brown is proposed because the judge at the Qualifying show did not find "creamy grey" feathers on the females. This is not surprising, he was being vigilant and careful. He is a judge to be commended. This "Greyish Brown" is the body color of the female BlackBreasted Red OEGB in the U.S, Standard and also in the Standard of the Patrijs variety, in The Netherland and Partridge variety of England, which is our LIGHT BROWN female color, (but not the Light Brown Color as in the APA and ABA Standard for LIGHT BROWN, (Leghorn)and is definetly NOT the color of the Cream Light Brown female--as CLB is a DIFFERENT VARIETY. And I must add that Partridge in all breeds named Partridge in Europe and England is the variety we call Light Brown in our Dutch. It has absolutely no relation to lacing or the American color name Partridge, as in the Wyandotte breed. It is a much older variety name --and America, come lately, did not keep the variety name for the Dutch. There are other breeds with differences in color names, which are described in their standard, usually with "AS IN" prefaced to the breed name.
So, what will be the result when a correctly colored female is brought before the judge in the future?? . . with a Dutch Bantam--or another breed that will be adding the variety to the breed?? Or an imported CLB female that comes before the judge (all other features being very good)???
Are we creating a "new variety" that does not exist in any other breed in the U.S. or in the world? It will be a hybrid variety that does not match the Cream Light Brown Dutch Bantams in Holland, England, Norway, Denmark, Belgium, France, Italy, South Africa??and other European breeds . . . and by the authority of only 4 or 5 Dutch Bantam breeders in the U.S., and if accepted by the APA Standards commitee?
At the time the proposed translated, Dutch CLB Standard was sent out in our Newsletter, there were no negative responses to question the translation from the Dutch language, and our Secretary wrote to me "I would not change a thing". Breeders would have been more selective in their breeding for the qualifying show and there would have been at least some "glowing" female CLBs, even if few, that would not have changed the approval of the variety, but been examples of the best to work for.
Then-- ONE person said: I do not have any female birds like that. That one person may not have--or just sees color differently. Have you looked at a Yellow paint sample card searching for just the right shade for a job? Well the Greyish Yellow will be there--you might call it something else, but not BROWN. That one person talked to 3 more persons (including the Secretary, who said he would not change a thing) and they said, "I guess we do not have greyish yellow" (although they might have it on one or more birds). . . . (If you do not have the birds to breed good Silver pencilled Hamburgs, do you change the variety description to match YOUR birds, or do you select or replace breeding birds in order to produce them correctly)?
And the battle began, over 2 years ago, over two words of a color name acceptable in all the world except with several members of the ADBS in the U.S.????? I thought is was over. Something wrong here. There was some hateful mail generated over these two words, by 3 persons in our Club, who are still sending hateful mail to at least 3 members of our Club. A simple question gets a sharp, rude and hateful answer. A simple statement will get a rude, sharp and hateful retort, which is unrelated to the question of CLB female body color--an inablility to communicate civily. Sad, sad. And perhaps, inexcusable, IMHO. I sincerely hope no more members will be subject to this abuse. Some former members were.
Reference has been made to the Light Brown variety Standard. We are not breeding or showing our Dutch Bantams to the Light Brown Standard of the APA or ABA. But our birds are being bred and judged to a non existant U.S. LB Standard. If our LBs were judged to the written standard, we would have no correct birds at shows, especially the females!! Certainly, the CLB can be accepted with the correct color translations--and can be bred to that standard as breeders are aware of it--it is not that difficult. Showing 40 CLB females with only one that has body plumage color that is correct is a step forward and the 39 will still not be correct in one part of the scoring, if the color name is changed????Not the end of the world. The perfect bird has not been produced.
Would it not be easier in proposing a Standard for a new variety in the U.S. (Cream Light Brown) to have it correct from the beginning?
If you agree that the 3-4 persons who have caused this controversy in our Club should pull back and accept the "internationally" approved standard for the CLB, you could write to Walt Leonard, Sam Brush, John Monaco, APA Standards Committee, and ask them to reconsider the proposed ADBS Standard, with the wording "creamy grey" for the female body color and consider the correct name, "greyish yellow" OR translated to "greyish cream" as the body feather color.
All discussion seems to ignore the rest of the picture, which is a fine black stippling, which gives the greyish sheen, covering the greyish cream feather color. (And an orange breast comes with the correct color). But be assured, if you see a correctly feathered female CLB, you will wonder if there is a light on, under the black peppering of the feather! And you will SEE the difference from a LB female body color. And you will call it CLB and beautiful.
It is not worth hate mail, it IS worth the integrity of our Club and raising its stature in the poultry world! And it is worth keeping the credibility of APA in the world of Poultry, as imports or other breeds, add this beautiful Cream Light Brown variety to their breeds.
Respectfully submitted, Jean Robocker, Hollandse Krielen
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